Going to war against Russia…Will our continental friends join us?

I previously wrote about Governor Palin’s messianic ideology that centers around religion. Anyone who has watched her speeches as governor must by know acknowledge what she wants to do. Her views is of a branch of Christianity in the U.S. that believes in using the United States as a tool to bring their kingdom of heaven to earth. So, I was not surprised that Governor Palin, when interviewed by Charles Gibson (see here), expressed her opinion that we should go to war with Russia over some democracies that are currently near Russia. It is not really about whether those countries are democratic or not. But it is about the loss of opportunities to proselyte.

As others have been commenting around the Net, a war against Russia will certainly be beyond the capacity of this country, unless she is talking about using the nuclear option. A war against Russia will mean the re-introduction of the draft and, basically, use Europe as the battleground. Now, will our continental friends in NATO be willing to go along this kind of adventure? Most likely not. It will be a war that will certainly destroy us.

So beware of the pipe piper. Lets not be children of a messianic ideology. Can we afford such a person who is may be a heartbeat away from being a president?

[Update – See Matt Damon’s take]

Matt, well, I am going to republish one of Governor Palin’s speeches.

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6 thoughts on “Going to war against Russia…Will our continental friends join us?

  1. The question was very straight forward. If Georgia was part of NATO and Russia attacked, would the US help to protect Georgia? Palin said yes. To then say “we should go to war with Russia over some democracies that are currently near Russia” is VERY disingenous! Why should anyone enter into a treaty if it doesn’t mean anything? I believe the same thing happened to Poland when Germany AND Russia attacked it! Get a grip folks – her answer was spot on!

  2. Thanks for leaving a comment. The two countries in question, Georgia and Ukraine, are not members members of NATO. There is an intense debate in Europe as to whether they should be allowed to join or not. Now, think about it. Look at the map. Would the Russians view NATO troops as just nice soldiers on a vacation next to her border?

    Her reply will make any kind of negotiations at securing the stability of those two emerging democracies more difficult. We all know that our current troop level, plus those of Western Europe, would never be enough against a Russian attack. You are quite correct in replying that, sure, an attack on a NATO country requires the aid of the other NATO allies. So, what options have we got? Only one. The nuclear one. Are you willing to let Governor Palin be in control of the button? Given her religious beliefs?

  3. Who, you need to get out more.

    First, i agree with Kelly. You blew her reply out of the water.

    Second, I do not agree with your assumtion that we can not win a fight with Russia. If you have been watching, or have visited Russia lately, you should know that they are just getting their act back together. Sure it would be hard, but how can we call ourselves a super power, if we back down from every second rate country that challenges us.
    Are you considering the full impact of your conclusion. If we let Russia push us around now, what happens when they have updated their military with all of their oil money.

    Maybe if you would have joined the military instead of the peace corps, you would have an idea of what this country is capable of.

  4. Also, I know that we have made commitments to Ukraine, and i am sure to Georgia too. It is sure great to know that we are fair weather friends. I am sure that our other partners will be watching.
    As long as we are picking what commitments to honor, why dont we just junk our commitment to Western Europe. They seem to be much better than us at predicting world events(they are experts at I told you so), and i am sure that they can take care of themselves. Let us see what songs they are singing in a few years.

  5. Pete,
    You are starting with some premises that are faulty. As far as I know, neither the Ukraine nor Georgia are members of NATO, nor do we have formal treaty obligations to defend either country. Bush has made statements to the effect that those countries should have such protection, but that requires Congressional approval (in the case of bilateral treaties), and approval by the NATO governing board (in the case of NATO admission).
    Extending NATO mutual defense obligations to these countries is currently unwise, as NATO is militarily unprepared to deal with a military conflict with a large power so far away from its core (western/central Europe).
    While I do not believe that Russia was right in its actions, Bush did — in part — provoke the conflict by asserting guarantees that the US and NATO are not prepared to back up.
    You may be right, that in a limited conflict in one theater of operation, we could prevail over Russia. Unfortunately, such a conflict is unlikely to remain limited, and Russia is very likely to expand the fight to Eastern Europe. As we have learned, air power alone is insufficient to hold territory and deny your opponent access to his supply chain. Remember, their supply chain is next door, where ours is thousands of miles away.
    Finally, by overplaying our hand in Iraq, we have shown the world the limits of our power, and our Achilles heel. Our military is designed for rapid and severe punishment of an adversary. It is not designed for occupation, and long term holding of ground. We simply do not have the manpower for that kind of warfare, and thanks to Bush, we have trumpeted that for all to hear.

  6. To address the case of Georgia specifically, I believe that we turned Teddy Roosevelt’s doctrine on its head. Namely, we spoke loudly and with bellicosity towards Russia about its southern flanking neighbors.
    Russia, I believe, also set up the trigger by poking at Georgia with its South Ossetian sympathizers. This, plus our encouraging statements, prompted the Georgian leadership to take the foolish move of attacking, thinking that we would protect them from the fairly obvious Russian reprisal. Russia was ready, awaiting this move, while we were caught flatfooted.
    Encouraging the former Soviet republics to practically spit in the face of ‘mother Russia’ was and is stupid. I believe that Russia is in part trying to teach us that lesson, both with their limited invasion of Georgia, and there increasing military ties to Venezuela.
    When we go in to Venezuela to topple Chavez — something that I think is highly likely in the near future — what arguement will we have left about national autonomy, and not toppling democratically elected foreign governments? We will have little choice but to be hoist on our own petard.
    I dearly hope that the next administration is able to repair our standing in the world community. That means speaking quietly rather than boastfully. Meaning what we say, rather than over promising, and using our military in the way it is designed to be used, and as a last resort when diplomacy and economic action fails.
    Finally, those that know me know that I am no dove, but even a hawk knows not to attack a bear!

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